TRANSCRIPT: CLINTON, BARAK DISCUSS PEACE PROCESS AT PRESS CONFERENCE
(Assad has "golden opportunity" to resume negotiations, Clinton says)
July 19, 1999
President Clinton and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak held a press conference
July 19 at the conclusion of their second round of talks.
"Prime Minister Barak and I have had a very good series of meetings over the
past few days," the President said. "I believe the Prime Minister is ready to
move forward decisively" on the peace process.
Clinton said that the U.S. has "agreed to strengthen our security assistance to
Israel" and that he intends "to work closely with our Congress for expedited
approval of a package that includes not only aid to Israel, but also assistance
to the Palestinian people and Jordan in the context of implementing the Wye
River agreement."
The President also said that Syrian President Hafez al-Assad "has a golden
opportunity now to resume" negotiations with Israel.
"I will make it known to President Assad what I consider to be the very
satisfactory results of this meeting and that this is an important time to start
the peace process."
The President added: "We, too, would like more normal relations with Syria and
we would like Syria to be reconciled to all its neighbors in the region. And I
think that anything that Syria does to disassociate itself from terrorists is a
positive step in the right direction."
For his part, Prime Minister Barak said: "It is our intention to move the
process forward simultaneously on all tracks -- bilateral, the Palestinian, the
Syrians and the Lebanese, as well as the multilateral. We will leave no stone
unturned in our efforts to reinvigorate the process ... I call upon our Arab
partners and their leaders to embark with us together on this historic journey,
which requires tough choices from all parties."
Barak also said: "We are committed to Wye. We will implement it. We are
committed to the permanent status negotiations, and we intend to go forward and
do it. We have to consider, together with Chairman Arafat, the way to combine
the Wye agreement implementation with the pushing forward of the permanent
status negotiations and implementation. And we will do exactly that in the
coming months. I would suggest a kind of framework of about 15 months, within
which we will know whether we have a breakthrough and are really going to put an
end to the conflict ... I use the kind of framework of 15 months to signal to
all public and other players that we are not talking about a miraculous solution,
magic solution that will drop upon us from heaven in three weeks."
As for the Palestinians, Barak said: "We respect them. We want to build a peace
with them that will put an end to the conflict with all the sufferings that
happen on both sides of this conflict."
"I'm confident that the nature of the Palestinian entity will emerge naturally
out of these permanent status negotiations," he said in response to a question
about a possible Palestinian state. "We are concentrating on solving at the
same time all the problems that are on the table -- the refugees, the border,
the future of settlements, the problem of Jerusalem. And I don't think it's a
very easy task to solve part of the problem without solving, at the same time,
the other parts."
Following is the White House transcript:
(Begin transcript)
THE WHITE HOUSE
July 19, 1999
PRESS CONFERENCE BY THE PRESIDENT
AND PRIME MINISTER BARAK OF ISRAEL
Presidential Hall
4:00 P.M. EDT
THE PRESIDENT: Prime Minister Barak and I have had a very good series of
meetings over the past few days. Of course, we have focused primarily on the
Middle East peace process. We strongly agree that a negotiated peace is the
best way to make Israel more secure, the best path to lasting stability and
prosperity for all the peoples of the Middle East.
The Prime Minister is determined to accelerate that process, to reach with
Chairman Arafat a permanent status agreement between Israel and the Palestinian
people, and to achieve a broader regional peace that includes Syria and Lebanon.
As he has said, the objective now is to put the peace process back on all its
tracks.
But we should have no illusions. The way ahead will be difficult. There are
hard decisions to be made. Knowing his long record of accomplishment both as
soldier and civilian, and having spent a good deal of time with him these past
few days, I believe the Prime Minister is ready to move forward decisively. And
America is clearly ready to help in any way we can.
As Israel takes calculated risks for peace, we will continue to support Israel's
defense. Today we have agreed to strengthen our security assistance to Israel
so Israel can best meet the threats to its citizens, including terrorism and the
growing threat of long-range missiles and weapons of mass destruction.
We've also agreed to establish a high-level joint planning group to consult on
security issues and to report back regularly to the Prime Minister and to me
personally.
I intend to work closely with our Congress for expedited approval of a package
that includes not only aid to Israel, but also assistance to the Palestinian
people and Jordan in the context of implementing the Wye River agreement.
Making Israel stronger and making Palestinians and Jordanians more secure and
more prosperous -- all these are crucial to building a just and lasting peace in
the region.
Finally, I want to announce that America and Israel will be taking our
partnership to new heights, literally. As part of an effort to enhance our
scientific cooperation, we will create a working group between NASA and the
Israel Space Agency to advance scientific research, educational activities, and
the peaceful uses of space. An Israeli astronaut and a payload of Israeli
instruments will fly on a space shuttle mission next year.
All these efforts will strengthen the bonds between our two democracies. They
will help us to build a better future together. I am proud that Prime Minister
Barak is my partner in this work. I look forward to seeing him again soon.
Mr. Prime Minister, the floor is yours.
PRIME MINISTER BARAK: Mr. President, ladies and gentlemen, President Clinton
and I have just concluded the last in our series of meetings. Those meetings
were held in an atmosphere of deep friendship and understanding that
characterizes the bilateral relationship between Israel and the United States.
Our policy is based on the following: We are committed to the renewal of the
peace process. It is our intention to move the process forward simultaneously
on all tracks -- bilateral, the Palestinian, the Syrians and the Lebanese, as
well as the multilateral. We will leave no stone unturned in our efforts to
reinvigorate the process, which must be based upon direct talks between the
parties themselves, and conducted in an atmosphere of mutual trust.
Any unilateral steps, acts or threats of terrorism, violence or other forms of
aggression have no place in a process of peace. The peace we seek to establish
is only the one that will enhance the security of Israel. Only a strong and
secure Israel is capable of making the difficult choices that the process
requires.
I will not shy away from those difficult choices, but I have responsibility to
the people of Israel to do all that I possibly can to minimize the risks and
dangers involved. From here, I call upon our Arab partners and their leaders to
embark with us together on this historic journey, which requires tough choices
from all parties.
Mr. President, Israel and America share a unique friendship and a very special
partnership. Our relationship is built upon common values, shared interests and
a mutual vision as to the future of the region. A strong Israeli-American
relationship must be the cornerstone on which to build a peaceful Middle East.
Mr. President, the road ahead may be long and arduous, but together with our
peace partners, we can -- and will -- make it happen.
We know, Mr. President, that in the pursuit of this sacred mission, a mission of
peace, we can count on your wisdom, experience, good advice and continued
support all along the road.
For Nava and for myself, thank you again for your warm hospitality accorded us
throughout our visit, and for your consistent friendship and support. Thank
you.
THE PRESIDENT: Terry.
Q: Thank you, Mr. President. Mr. President, the Prime Minister has committed
himself to implementing the West Bank pull-back agreed upon at Wye River. You
just talked about accelerating the peace process. Realistically speaking,
looking ahead, how long before the final status talks get underway on the tough
issues like Jerusalem, the Palestinian hopes for a homeland, refugees? And what
specific steps can the United States do to facilitate this process? Maybe if
each of you could address those.
THE PRESIDENT: Well, first of all, the United States will continue to do what
it has done all along. I believe that we should be prepared to support a final
status agreement in the way we have supported all these other agreements, going
all the way back to Camp David and through those that have been reached during
my tenure. We should support the security of Israel, the stability of the
region, the economic development of the region. And we should help to work out
any of the particular problems as they arise.
In terms of the timing, I don't think it's for the United States to set the
timetables here. We should just be supportive of moving ahead as vigorously as
possible. But it's not our role, and shouldn't be, to impose an outside
timetable on the process.
PRIME MINISTER BARAK: We are committed to agreements signed by Israeli
government. We are committed to Wye. We will implement it. We are committed
to the permanent status negotiations, and we intend to go forward and do it.
We have to consider, together with Chairman Arafat, the way to combine the Wye
agreement implementation with the pushing forward of the permanent status
negotiations and implementation. And we will do exactly that in the coming
months.
I would suggest a kind of framework of about 15 months, within which we will
know whether we have a breakthrough and are really going to put an end to the
conflict, or alternatively -- I hope this will not be the case -- we are stuck
once again. I use the kind of framework of 15 months to signal to all public
and other players that we are not talking about a miraculous solution, magic
solution that will drop upon us from heaven in three weeks, and we do not intend
to drag our foot for another three years.
THE PRESIDENT: Want to take a question from an Israeli journalist?
PRIME MINISTER BARAK: Please --
Q: Mr. President, do you intend to have talks or to meeting with President
Assad at the present time, and maybe shoot for a summit meeting here with
President Assad?
And, Prime Minister Barak, another question also on Damascus. Today terrorist
organizations there were urged to leave the country by the Syrian government.
Is there any proof of this news that you heard, and if it's true, do you see any
significance?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, let me answer the first question. I have had regular
contact, as you know, and a lot of contact with President Assad over the last
six and a half years. He knows very well that I am committed to the peace
process between Israel and Syria, and that I believe that he has a golden
opportunity now to resume that process and that I hope he will do so. I intend
to reaffirm that in the appropriate way at the conclusion of our meeting.
We, too, would like more normal relations with Syria and we would like Syria to
be reconciled to all its neighbors in the region. And I think anything that
Syria does to disassociate itself from terrorists is a positive step in the
right direction.
Yes, ma'am. Helen, you're next.
Q: Mr. Prime Minister, a question to you. As Israel moves now to resume peace
talks with its Arab adversaries, what and who do you regard as the real
existential threats to Israel in the coming century? Do you look more toward
Iran and Iraq? Do you have different views on these issues than your
predecessor? Thank you.
PRIME MINISTER BARAK: Unlike this part of the world, our neighbor -- unlike
North America -- Western Europe is a very tough neighborhood, a kind of
merciless environment, no second opportunity for those who cannot defend
themselves. And many threats might loom over the horizon without very long
early warning. We, of course, see the risk. This is one of the reasons why I'm
so determined to do whatever we can to achieve peace.
I spent all my life in uniform, fighting for the security of our country, and we
know from our experience that by strengthening Israel and going toward peace, we
will reduce this kind of threat. There are a lot of conventional armed forces
around us. If you combine them together there are more weapon systems in the
Middle East than in NATO. And, of course, the prospect of proliferation of
weapons of mass destruction and missile technology to places like Iran or Iraq
create a major threat to the stability of the whole Middle East, to the free
flow of oil from this region that helps to sustain the economies of both Europe
and Japan, and, of course, to Israel. And we are watching very carefully these
kinds of threats.
We do not aspire to eliminate any future risk from the globe by making peace
with our neighbors, but we're clearly determined to make our future and the
future of our neighbors better by reaching a full agreement about peace with all
our neighbors around.
Q: -- Iraq and Iran, sir?
PRIME MINISTER BARAK: Iran and Iraq are sources of potential threat to the
stability of the Middle East and to Israel if they reach missile technology,
nuclear weapons and, by this, the combination to really launch them.
Q: President Clinton, you have met with Prime Minister Barak for many hours and
we all know that you have concluded some sort of a program to advance the peace
process. Can you please tell us some of these details that you can tell us?
What is expected in the coming days or weeks, and when are the talks between
Syria and Israel going to be resumed? Is there any date?
And a question to Prime Minister Barak: What is your reaction to the meeting of
Abdel Halim Khaddam in Damascus with a few Palestinian organizations that are
opposing the Oslo -- the peace process? Do you think it's a significant step
for peace?
THE PRESIDENT: First of all, we have issued a very detailed joint statement. I
don't know if you have it yet or not.
Q: I've read it, but it doesn't say specifically what are the coming moves.
THE PRESIDENT: That's right -- that's on purpose. (Laughter.) So you know --
sometimes in this process, the less you say, the better. Let me say that you
know that Prime Minister Barak has talked to Chairman Arafat and they intend to
talk again. And I have said that I will make it known to President Assad what I
consider to be the very satisfactory results of this meeting and that this is an
important time to start the peace process. I think to go beyond that right now
would be an error on my part. Not because I don't intend to push ahead in every
way I can, but I just think it would be a mistake.
PRIME MINISTER BARAK: I can just add to this that I'm fully confident that when
we will have something to tell, we will be interviewed by you and we'll tell you
and the public will know. There will be no secrets when something really
happens in the open.
On the other part of your question, I did not get a real report about this
meeting, but if there was such a meeting, and the Syrians really asked the
terror organizations to reduce their level of activity, if that is true, it is,
of course, good news for all of us.
THE PRESIDENT: Helen?
Q: Mr. Prime Minister, there's an expression --
PRIME MINISTER BARAK: I awaited you. (Laughter.)
Q: -- that if you walk in someone's moccasins, then you'll know how they really
feel. If you were walking in a Palestinian's shoes, how would you feel about
occupation, annexation, incarceration for months, for years without a charge,
without a trial?
PRIME MINISTER BARAK: I was elected Prime Minister of the State of Israel. I'm
fully focused on the security and future of the Israelis. I am aware that the
same way that a president cannot choose his parents, a nation cannot choose its
neighbor. They are Palestinians; we respect them. We want to build a peace with
them that will put an end to the conflict with all the sufferings that happen on
both sides of this conflict. We are determined to do it. I believe that
focusing on how to solve the problems of the future is a more, may I say,
productive way to consume our time than dealing with analyzing past events or
their interpretation.
Q: Well, they aren't past. They've very current.
PRIME MINISTER BARAK: We are working on bringing a peace that will create a
different environment in the Middle East, and I am fully focused on this future,
rather than on analysis of the past.
THE PRESIDENT: Do you want to take another question?
PRIME MINISTER BARAK: Please.
Q: How do you reconcile between the Prime Minister's expectation to get your
support to the further negotiations with the Palestinians -- difficulties that
Israel will face, with your role as an honest broker?
THE PRESIDENT: Why are they inconsistent? I'm not sure I understand the
question.
Q: It's a cultural gap.
Q: No, it's not cultural gap.
THE PRESIDENT: No, no, explain the question. I'm sorry, I don't mean to be
dense, but I don't understand the question.
Q: We understand that the Prime Minister strove to get your understanding to
Israel's point of view with regard to the negotiations that he will have with
the Palestinians.
THE PRESIDENT: Yes, that's correct.
Q: On the other hand, America is going to play the role of an honest broker
between Israel and the Palestinians. So probably there is a kind of conflict
between these two roles.
THE PRESIDENT: Oh, I see what you mean. Actually, in this case, I disagree
with that for the following reason. The Prime Minister has made it clear --
this goes a little bit to the question Helen asked in a general way -- the Prime
Minister has made it clear that however he proceeds into the future in
negotiating with the Palestinians that it must all be done by agreement,
including the ideas of synchronizing Wye and going to the final status talks.
I'm convinced that at the end of the road, anything they could both agree to
would be in both their interests.
And I must say, I think -- some of you may think this is naive, especially as
long as I've been doing this -- but I honestly believe that the most important
element for success for an Israeli Prime Minister in negotiating an agreement
with the Palestinians is being able to set aside the accumulated burdens of the
past to at least see them with respect, and understand how they perceive the
legitimacy of their aspirations. And I have seen that with this Prime Minister.
And I think when you do that, then there will be a way to work this out.
I think that in a peculiar way, the United States can only be of value to the
Palestinians because we are so close to Israel. Otherwise, of what value are we
to them? And because we are, if we believe they have a good point that I
privately and personally communicate to the Prime Minister or his designated
representatives, it should carry more weight because they know how close we are.
So I don't see the two things as in conflict. I think that, in the end, they
both have to believe they have won or there will be no agreement. If either
side believes that it has lost, why should they agree?
Q: Mr. President, did the subject of Jonathan Pollard and his possible release
come up in any form during your discussions? It's now eight months since White
House Counsel Chuck Ruff requested the major U.S. governmental agencies to offer
their opinions on this. Did any of those agencies recommend or indicate that
they would recommend his release?
And, Mr. Prime Minister, did President Clinton give you any reason to expect
that Pollard's release may be a possibility?
PRIME MINISTER BARAK: Maybe I'll answer first and it will make it more --
smoother in a way. I clearly want to see Jonathan Pollard released, but I am of
the position that any public discussion of this issue doesn't push forward the
purpose of having him released. For many reasons, this is a subject that should
be dealt with not in public, but at most, between the leaders of the two
nations.
PRESIDENT CLINTON: One more over here, and then we'll take -- Sam, do you want
a question?
Q: Sir, I'd like to take another crack at a question you've been asked before.
You've said that when Mrs. Clinton expresses her opinions publicly she's just
doing something in public which you've done in private before -- that is, have
disagreements. That's the American way. But when she talks about an opinion in
which she takes the Israeli position on Jerusalem, doesn't this make it more
difficult for you to be that honest broker that one of your colleagues talked
about, sir?
THE PRESIDENT: No, no. For one thing -- let me say, that issue is not one that
-- that's not the public-private distinction. The government of the United
States, the Executive Branch, the President, is a sponsor of the peace process
and a facilitator of it. In that context, those of us with positions of
official responsibility who are all the time asking Israel and the Palestinians,
we're all the time asking both sides, not to do anything which prejudices final
status issues -- I have taken the position that my government should not
prejudice final status issues.
There are many American citizens who consider, for example, Jerusalem to be the
capital of Israel; Israel considers Jerusalem to be the capital of Israel. You
heard the Prime Minister say that he hoped that when we had all this worked out,
everybody's embassy would be there.
The genius, I thought, of the legislation which was passed by the Congress and
sponsored I think primarily by Senator Moynihan was that it permitted each
individual member of Congress and, therefore, imposed on everybody who might
want to be in Congress, the responsibility of expressing their opinion on it,
while allowing the United States to continue to be an honest broker through the
waiver authority so we don't have to prejudice the final status issue.
The status of Jerusalem is, under the Oslo Accords, something that the parties
themselves have to work out at the end. So that's my position. I don't think
there is any inconsistency there at all. I think that anybody who is ever going
to consider being a candidate for Congress in anyplace in this country, or the
Senate, where people care about this, might be asked about it. But we have a
framework in our law which I think is quite good -- where people can express
their opinion about it, vote for the law, support the law, but the President,
whoever the President is, is permitted to honor the obligation of the United
States not to prejudice the final status issue.
Q: But sir, the thrust --
PRIME MINISTER BARAK: -- of Israeli TV --
Q: Sir, may I just follow up?
PRIME MINISTER BARAK: Please, let the young lady -- beauty before age.
(Laughter.) I'm not quarreling with your wisdom, but look -- a young Israeli.
(Laughter.)
Q: Both of you -- Prime Minister Barak was mentioning that 15-month framework
for the negotiation. Do you see, Mr. President, and you, Prime Minister Barak,
a Palestinian state at the end of this period of time?
PRIME MINISTER BARAK: I think it's too early to think of the results of the
negotiations about permanent status that were hardly begun. And I don't think
that you should interpret this 15-month framework as a kind of a deadline where
everything should be either fully concluded and implemented, or the whole thing
is blown up, blown apart. I don't think that this is the case.
We have this framework in order that different players on different tracks with
only partially transparent -- between them could make up their judgment about
what should be concluded in their own track, vis a vis, Israel, while taking
into account the fact that the others are continuing.
So without providing them with a certain time frame that might be lost, or
suspicions would be heightened, which, as you know, happens very often in the
Middle East, so in order to produce a certain kind of common basis, common
framework and common understanding about how we intend to move, we shaped this
time frame. It could not be interpreted as --
Q: What about the possibility of a Palestinian state?
PRIME MINISTER BARAK: Oh, this was the question, I thought -- (laughter.) It's
part of the permanent status negotiations, and I'm confident that the nature of
the Palestinian entity will emerge naturally out of these permanent status
negotiations. We are concentrating on solving at the same time all the problems
that are on the table -- the refugees, the border, the future of settlements,
the problem of Jerusalem. And I don't think it's a very easy task to solve part
of the problem without solving, at the same time, the other parts.
THE PRESIDENT: Joe says we were about to draw this to a close, but if you want
to chew on me I'll be back Wednesday; we're going to have a press conference.
Thank you very much. Thank you.
Oh, wait, wait, I'll answer the Coast Guard question. Go ahead. This is
important -- further -- what's going on for America today, so I'll answer this.
Go ahead.
Q: Mr. President, I'm told that you were briefed earlier today by the U.S.
Coast Guard about their search for the wreckage of the Kennedy plane. Can you
tell us what the results of that are to date? And also, sir, since the search
became a -- quote, unquote -- "recovery operation" last night, have you had a
chance to speak with any members of the Kennedy family, and if so, can you
relate some or all of those conversations?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, let me say, first of all, I did speak with Admiral
Larrabee this morning, and again, I want to say I think the Coast Guard, the
National Transportation Safety Board, the FAA, all the state and local entities
who have worked for them have done quite a fine job here and I'm grateful to
them.
He was actually, Admiral Larrabee, somewhat optimistic that they would
eventually be successful in this area they have identified, in finding further -
- at least further parts of the plane. And I believe it's appropriate that this
search continue. So I think they've done a good job.
I have had, over the last three days, several conversations with Senator Kennedy,
and I have talked with Caroline, and I have -- but I think it would not be
appropriate for me to talk about the merits of it.
Let me say that John Kennedy and his sister, and later his wife, were uncommonly
kind to my daughter and to my wife, and this has been a very difficult thing for
us personally, as well as because of my position. They are very strong people,
and I think they are carrying on as well as any human beings could. But they
need the support and prayers of our country.
Thank you.
PRIME MINISTER BARAK: Allow my please to add to it -- to extend on behalf of
myself and the Israeli people our prayers and thoughts to the Kennedy family
that faced so many tragedies and now are facing another one -- a tragedy that I
believe touched hearts of billions all around the world. Thank you.
THE PRESIDENT: Thank you very much.
(End transcript)
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